<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>Bendigo Maths Network  &#187; Uncategorized</title>
	<atom:link href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com</link>
	<description>discussions between bendigo's maths teachers</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:15:43 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<cloud domain='bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com' port='80' path='/?rsscloud=notify' registerProcedure='' protocol='http-post' />
<image>
		<url>http://www.gravatar.com/blavatar/95dc7034ad88d6a3e0d51b34789ab603?s=96&#038;d=http://s.wordpress.com/i/buttonw-com.png</url>
		<title>Bendigo Maths Network  &#187; Uncategorized</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com</link>
	</image>
	<atom:link rel="search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/osd.xml" title="Bendigo Maths Network " />
		<item>
		<title>captivating maths with a wink</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/a-captivating-wink/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/a-captivating-wink/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/a-captivating-wink/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[although i couldn&#8217;t get to the last maths network meeting till after 6pm &#8211; (says something for the group that they were still going strong) &#8211; I heard lots of good things about Kyle&#8217;s demonstration of the Captivate software (screen capture tool) .  There&#8217;s a bit of detail and samples of their work at BSSC here .
I&#8217;d recently discovered [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=21&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>although i couldn&#8217;t get to the last maths network meeting till after 6pm &#8211; (says something for the group that they were still going strong) &#8211; I heard lots of good things about Kyle&#8217;s demonstration of the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.adobe.com/products/captivate/">Captivate software</a> (screen capture tool) .  There&#8217;s a bit of detail and samples of their work at BSSC <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bendigoschools.vic.edu.au/detailed%20projects.shtml">here</a> .</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recently discovered a similar product (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.debugmode.com/wink/">Wink</a>) which does the same sort of thing, including nav buttons,  voice and text annotations, and is <em>free</em>, so i&#8217;ve put a <a target="_blank" href="http://www.thinkingcurriculum.com/thoughts/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/1.htm">quick sample of that together here</a>.</p>
<p>It needs a few techniques to get the audio recording to be reasonable (not too choppy) but its quite a good solution, all up.</p>
<p>Either way- Captivate or Wink, saves having to explain complex software (or the embedded maths) repeatedly &#8230;</p>
<p>(Wink is made by the same generous person who has written the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.debugmode.com/wax/">Wax </a>program, which is useful for bluescreen (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.thinkingcurriculum.com/thoughts/index.php/2006/08/15/kahootz-blue-screen/">example here</a>) .. though i&#8217;m yet to see how we could use that for maths!?). Actually &#8230; i guess you could have a video of yourself talking in the corner of the tutorial; ie layer yourself over the main app you were explaining. Don&#8217;t know that most maths teachers would see the point of that, or if it would improve the result, but its possible&#8230;.. but i&#8217;m happy to help anyone who wants to give that a go!</p>
<p>rob<br />
i. (anyone can comment here &#8211; and maths teachers can publish &#8230; read through the start-here page on top right of page)<br />
ii. part 2 of the minutes of this meeting are <a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/pd-shadowing-survey-etc/">here </a></p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/21/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=21&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/a-captivating-wink/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4e5b8ab89063d428957005d495284584?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">rob</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>pd shadowing survey etc</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/pd-shadowing-survey-etc/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/pd-shadowing-survey-etc/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/pd-shadowing-survey-etc/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[ At the recent maths network meeting there was an agreement that professional development relating to  

team teaching 
strategies for teaching difficult concepts (fractions etc)
open ended tasks and games
technology (IWB, screen capture (Captivate,Wink etc), graphics calculators, Maths 300 etc).  

would be valuable for local maths staff.   This was supported by the findings of a recent survey [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=19&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">At the recent maths network meeting there was an agreement that professional development relating to </span></font><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></font><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></font></p>
<ul>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:12pt;">team teaching </span></font></span></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></font></span>strategies for teaching difficult concepts (fractions etc)</span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">open ended tasks and games</span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">technology (IWB, screen capture (Captivate,Wink etc), graphics calculators, Maths 300 etc).  </span></font></li>
</ul>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">would be valuable for local maths staff. </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">This was supported by the findings of a recent survey of maths staff in the network conducted by</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> Latrobe University. </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">The network also agreed that a mentoring / shadowing approach is an effective way to deliver and receive this PD. Simon Pryor from MAV has also indicated that there is some funding available to support this process (CRT etc). </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Therefore we would like to compile a list of staff who  </span></font></span></font></span></font></p>
<ul>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">feel that they have something to offer in one or more of the above areas, for occasional mentoring/ school observation,   </span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">staff who would like to avail themselves of this learning network in one or more of these of these areas </span></font></li>
</ul>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">please download this <a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/skills_list.doc" id="p20">word file</a> to indicate which areas you would like to be involved with and return to Neville Davies (details on the form) </span></font></span></font></p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/19/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=19&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/pd-shadowing-survey-etc/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4e5b8ab89063d428957005d495284584?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">rob</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>network spinoff in one cluster &#8211; more primary / secondary discussion</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/spinoff-cluster/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/spinoff-cluster/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/spinoff-cluster/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[one spinoff of the first meeting of this network came when maths teachers from various stages (primary and secondary) just got together; apart from the formal program, the relative anonymity of not knowing everyone can allow discussion (and &#8220;eavesdropping!&#8221;) on what the &#8220;other&#8221; stages really think. In the whitehills cluster, this lead to a followup [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=16&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><span>one spinoff of the <a target="_blank" href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/start-here/">first meeting </a>of this network came when maths teachers from various stages (primary and secondary) just got together; apart from the formal program, the relative anonymity of not knowing everyone can allow discussion (and &#8220;eavesdropping!&#8221;) on what the &#8220;other&#8221; stages really think. </span><span>In the whitehills cluster, this lead to a followup meeting, around these <a target="_blank" href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/provocative-questions-for-maths.doc" title="provocative questions" id="p17">provocative questions</a>, mediated with the essential wine and cheese, (<a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/minutes_local_cluster.doc" id="p18">minutes</a> here). </span></p>
<p><span>Anyway, one outcome was need for more shadowing (as well as sharing of textbooks, discussion of preferred outcomes, re tables etc)  </span><span> so shadowing is the next thing to get going <br />
(the rest of this is local detail so click the &#8220;read&#8221; link below if it applies &#8211; ie whitehills maths teachers) </span><span><br />
<span id="more-16"></span><br />
</span><span>Weeroona maths staff would ideally like to use a student free day at Weeroona to do the shadowing and there is PD day that has been mooted for later in the year which they’re hoping to use. </span><span>Chas, do you think we are limited to this, or would people be interested in having classes covered or using their frees &#8211; i got the impression maybe not? </span><span> </span><span> </span><span><span>Gary Schroeder has also suggested some term 4 shadowing by year 7 staff in grade 6 classes</span><span> </span></span><span><span>I’m willing to cover some classes at weeroona in lieu or provide some CRT from I&amp;E – but will need to be guided by what teachers are happy to do </span><span> </span><span><span>On the primary side, anyone who would like to come into a year 7 class, please let <a target="_blank">Chas</a> or Rob know, or comment below, and we&#8217;ll try to arrange - I would imagine we could organise that ok in the near future. </span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> </font></span></span></p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/16/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=16&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/spinoff-cluster/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4e5b8ab89063d428957005d495284584?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">rob</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>Tertiary goes Middle Years</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/tertiary-goes-middle-years/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/tertiary-goes-middle-years/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/tertiary-goes-middle-years/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[There is a philosophical divide in many schools; do we emphasise “middle years” (more generalist teachers, less segmentation of learning into discrete subjects, more emphasis on engagement, social and emotional competencies, individual approaches, generic thinking skills),  or do we for go for subject discipline (emphasis on specialisation, structured content, exams)  as soon as possible?  

On of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=14&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">There is a philosophical divide in many schools; do we emphasise “middle years” (more generalist teachers, less segmentation of learning into discrete subjects, more emphasis on engagement, social and emotional competencies, individual approaches, generic thinking skills),  or do we for go for subject discipline (emphasis on specialisation, structured content, exams)  as soon as possible?  </font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span id="more-14"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">On of the purposes of this blog is to have some debate about this (a lot of maths teachers are on the latter side, and they feel they can’t air their views, since it feels unpopular in the current environment, against VELS etc). And some others would say, we can do both; we can engage them early on with generalist strategies and build healthy foundations – good thinking skills etc &#8211;  for later specialisation. But for the sake of argument, lets “pretend” many middle years proponents and KLA specialists don’t agree with each other. </font></p>
<p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">One argument that is often heard against the middle years goes like this : its all very well to aim at engagement, and to explore your own individual learning plans etc, but sooner or later, they have to do leave that stuff and do Real Exams. You know, Real VCE or</font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> Real University exams. And here the middle years proponents might say – well, our approaches prepare them better for this than just pushing the content earlier down the school (and reteaching it every year).  And the specialists reply, they come to us with gaping holes, and our subject has a definite body of knowledge and skills that are not being taught properly, if at all.  And so it goes &#8230;  </font></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">So, lets call this drive to prepare for Real Exams, the push to specialise earlier, the “top down” approach. Top Down says that Education in general, and Maths is particular, is tough at the top end, so lets prepare for that as early as possible, and limit the generalist, middle years approaches as soon as possible. </font></p>
<p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Notice how this works:  Uni  &gt;&gt; </font><font face="Times New Roman">VCE  &gt;&gt; </font><font face="Times New Roman"> 7-10  &gt;&gt; </font><font face="Times New Roman">Primary </font></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">the logic of this top down approach is that the sooner specialised maths teaching kicks in the better, preferably before the end of primary school. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">(One irony of this is that on many counts uni courses typically boast the most monotonous examples of pedagogy, much less interesting than many primaries.) </font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">OK, we’re all familiar with this landscape. But what would happen if the top changed its mind? If the <em>tertiary</em> sector starts looking for less segmentation of learning into discrete subjects, and started talking about pedagogy and engagement. How would we validate that chain of events, the need to prepare for the Really Big Exam, now? </font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">heres a quote from Melb Uni&#8217;s vice chancellor, Glyn Davis, on their new approach to undergraduate courses: </font></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">As specialisation becomes more and more the way the world we live in is, there&#8217;s a tendency to drive specialisation very early on in degrees. [a] Year 11 student … will be choosing subjects for Year 11 and Year 12 long before they get to university, with an eye to the enter score, and an eye to the course they want to do to university. <i>That</i><i>&#8216;</i><i>s not a particularly good way to run your education system. It</i><i>&#8216;</i><i>s better that at school, you can explore your potential, </i>and that when you come to university for the first three years, you&#8217;re in the broad area that interests you and you want to develop in, but you&#8217;re using the time to experience a broader arrange of offerings that you might and to make your mind up pretty clearly about what you want to do.</font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">One of the key messages we&#8217;re been getting from employers &#8211; and we &#8216;ve been talking in great detail with them &#8211; in, say, the accounting firms and the law firms likewise are saying, &#8220;The students you &#8216;re sending us are well-trained, &#8220;they &#8216;re everything we want, &#8220;except they&#8217;re not necessarily motivated &#8220;because they made this choice at 17 and 18. &#8220;By the time they &#8216;ve done five years or four years of university, &#8220;and they come to us, they &#8216;re still asking themselves, &#8220;Is this the career choice I want?&#8221; A student has spent three years in a broad undergraduate degree getting to know themselves and the possibilities and the subject areas, we think is more likely to choose precisely and carefully and with great motivation about what they want to do in graduate school.</font></font></font></p></blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Now thats a bit of tertiary cat among the pigeons. Maybe they listened to too much Andrew Fuller.  </font></font></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">This was on LateLine (transcript and video <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1680822.htm">here</a>) (italics added) </font></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">I did discuss this with a maths teacher, with strong academic connections, who sees Melb Uni&#8217;s new approach as economically motivated &#8211; a way to get students to study longer and spend more. I don’t know the truth of this, except to note that this was discussed in the same interview : </font></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">(INTERVIEWER) of course, some of your rivals see this move by you as a way of boosting<br />
Melbourne&#8217;s private revenue stream. I understand in fact, you &#8216;ve got agreement from the minister that, in fact, your graduate students can in part be funded by a transfer of HECS-funded placements, is that right?</font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font></font></p>
<p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">GLYN DAVIS: Yes. We proposed to the Minister late last year and early this year, and she has publicly endorsed a suggestion that a significant number of places move from undergraduate to graduate. That means they remain HECS-based places, which means the cost for students in undertaking the new model is unchanged. It is no more expensive.  </font></font></p></blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">And their professed view is different: </font></p>
<blockquote><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">This is drawn from our point of view from pedagogic incentives. This is about a better education model. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s driving our changes. One of the problems with just saying, &#8220;Let&#8217;s have undergraduate degrees and then graduate degrees,&#8221; is that there has been significant fragmentation in the curriculum. There isn&#8217;t a lot of coherence necessarily in the undergraduate curriculum, and undergraduate degrees don&#8217;t necessarily articulate strongly into graduate school.</font></p></blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">These fine motives might not be the case, of course, but just noting the arguments. Not sure what it does for the mythology of the Big Exam Coming Up, thats used to pass the message down the chain (VCE, 7-10, P-6)  that they better stop playing with middle years approaches and do more Formal Mathematics, and that of course advanced maths is useful for all, if for no other reason than its looming on the final exam. </font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> Might provoke some responses.  </font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">You don&#8217;t need to register to comment below &#8230; and you can follow <a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/author.pdf">these instructions</a> to respond with a full post if you prefer. What do you think if all this? Fire away ..  </font></p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/14/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=14&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/tertiary-goes-middle-years/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>5</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4e5b8ab89063d428957005d495284584?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">rob</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>Vels: Maths and Progression Points: Bendigo August 22nd</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/09/doug-williams-maths-300-maths-on-the-move-bendigo-july-6th/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/09/doug-williams-maths-300-maths-on-the-move-bendigo-july-6th/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nevilled</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/09/doug-williams-maths-300-maths-on-the-move-bendigo-july-6th/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Dear Colleagues,
Attached is the advertisement for the PD sessions being conducted in the Regional Office auditorioum by Ian Lowe on August 22nd. One session will be conducted from 2 til 4pm for Secondary Teachers. Another session from 4.30pm till 6.30pm will be conducted for Primary Teachers. Please provide this info to your colleagues and encourage [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=10&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Dear Colleagues,</p>
<p>Attached is the advertisement for the PD sessions being conducted in the Regional Office auditorioum by Ian Lowe on August 22nd. One session will be conducted from 2 til 4pm for Secondary Teachers. Another session from 4.30pm till 6.30pm will be conducted for Primary Teachers. Please provide this info to your colleagues and encourage them to attend.</p>
<p>Neville Davies</p>
<p>LM Regional Project Officer (Science, Maths and Technology)</p>
<p><a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/bendigo_ianlowe_invite.doc">bendigo_ianlowe_invite.doc</a><a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/Bendigo_maths_invite.doc"> </a></p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/10/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=10&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/09/doug-williams-maths-300-maths-on-the-move-bendigo-july-6th/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c6d5a015814773de61e32a1fcce73872?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">nevilled</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>first post</title>
		<link>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/first-post/</link>
		<comments>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/first-post/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/first-post/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[welcome to the Bendigo Maths Network
&#160;if you haven&#39;t been here before click here to read the start page, explaining what its about, and follow up to the first meeting.
if you want to comment on a post, you can by clicking the &#34;comments&#34; link after each post&#160;- discussion can occur in the comments.
if you want to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=7&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>welcome to the Bendigo Maths Network</p>
<p>&nbsp;if you haven&#39;t been here before <a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/start-here/">click here </a>to read the start page, explaining what its about, and follow up to the first meeting.</p>
<p>if you want to comment on a post, you can by clicking the &quot;comments&quot; link after each post&nbsp;- discussion can occur in the comments.</p>
<p>if you want to be able to make new posts,&nbsp;read <a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/author.pdf">this</a> to become a co-author on the blog</p>
<p>Enjoy. (<a href="http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/start-here/">start here</a>)</p>
<img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/categories/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/tags/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/comments/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godelicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/delicious/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gostumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/stumble/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/godigg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/digg/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/goreddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/"><img alt="" border="0" src="http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/reddit/bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/7/" /></a> <img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com&blog=247309&post=7&subd=bendigomathsnetwork&ref=&feed=1" /></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://bendigomathsnetwork.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/first-post/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
	
		<media:content url="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4e5b8ab89063d428957005d495284584?s=96&#38;d=identicon" medium="image">
			<media:title type="html">rob</media:title>
		</media:content>
	</item>
	</channel>
</rss>